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APCs supposedly stretch a lot, so size down til you can't button it up anymore.

And as Shiggity said, PS is the best fit.
 
ohh alright how many times do u have to wash em before they stretch?
You need to read up more on raw denim, doesn't sound like you know what you're venturing into.
 
Size down 3, I am going to prob size down 3 when
I get mines :p

And I heard some people size down 5!! and they hella stretched!
 
All he really did was fucking SUFFICATE
for like 2 weeks, lol no button up.
 
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